Bison Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ham said: Absolute tosh. Recent injury problems don't take away from his ability as a football and he's a very good footballer. I've noticed that you make your mind up very quickly on a player for one reason or another, take a position and then make stuff up to support that position. Injuries aren't the issue, it's ability. Good luck to him bit I've seen enough. Badiashile and Colwill are comfortably better. Feel free to disagree but you'd be wrong.
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ham said: Absolute tosh. Recent injury problems don't take away from his ability as a football and he's a very good footballer. To be honest 16 - 20 Games a Season is not a very good player.
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bison said: Badiashile and Colwill are comfortably better. Feel free to disagree but you'd be wrong. Both villa and the arse targeted particular CB. For less than Bad and Forfana combined. It going interesting to see which players have the most productive season.
Mark Kelly Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 9 hours ago, ROTG said: Both villa and the arse targeted particular CB. For less than Bad and Forfana combined. It going interesting to see which players have the most productive season. What Centre backs do Villa and Arsenal have that are better than Badiashille and Forfana then? Pau Torres is probably the best of an appalling bunch and he's resolutely mediocre . Mings is awful and Arsenal just bought another Ajax dud.
ROTG Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: What Centre backs do Villa and Arsenal have that are better than Badiashille and Forfana then? Pau Torres is probably the best of an appalling bunch and he's resolutely mediocre . Mings is awful and Arsenal just bought another Ajax dud. As I said MK, let’s see how they perform and how many matches they play. Last season both of those teams finish higher than Badiashile and Fofana without the new recruits. Edited July 18, 2023 by ROTG
Ham Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, ROTG said: As I said MK, let’s see how they perform and how many matches they play. Last season both of those teams finish higher than Badiashile and Fofana without the new recruits. Blame our attackers, not our defenders.
Mark Kelly Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, ROTG said: As I said MK, let’s see how they perform and how many matches they play. Last season both of those teams finish higher than Badiashile and Fofana without the new recruits. We didn't suffer because of our defence last season , we suffered because none of our midfielders or attackers had a goal in them , thankfully they have been moved on now and we with a few key appointments should be in a better place. Arsenal with a cup competition Arteta dare not throw like he did with all three they were in last season will be playing twice a week and in doing so I believe he will struggle to replicate the form of last year. Villa are still Villa , they lack quality everywhere and punched above their weight last season when Chelsea and Liverpool both underperformed , they're well organised but eminently beatable.
ROTG Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: We didn't suffer because of our defence last season , we suffered because none of our midfielders or attackers had a goal in them , thankfully they have been moved on now and we with a few key appointments should be in a better place. Arsenal with a cup competition Arteta dare not throw like he did with all three they were in last season will be playing twice a week and in doing so I believe he will struggle to replicate the form of last year. Villa are still Villa , they lack quality everywhere and punched above their weight last season when Chelsea and Liverpool both underperformed , they're well organised but eminently beatable. Deep breath MK we conceded more goals than any of the top 4. So striking was not our only problem.
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: We didn't suffer because of our defence last season , we suffered because none of our midfielders or attackers had a goal in them , thankfully they have been moved on now and we with a few key appointments should be in a better place. Arsenal with a cup competition Arteta dare not throw like he did with all three they were in last season will be playing twice a week and in doing so I believe he will struggle to replicate the form of last year. Villa are still Villa , they lack quality everywhere and punched above their weight last season when Chelsea and Liverpool both underperformed , they're well organised but eminently beatable. Agreed espesh about Arsenal. They’ve spent £200m+ on three players. If you call Havertz a player but anyway.
Sleeping Dave Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 14 hours ago, My Blood Is Blue said: Chelsea's 29-man squad to the United States of America for pre-season : Goalkeepers: Kepa Arrizabalaga Gabriel Slonina Lucas Bergstrom Eddie Beach Jamie Cumming Defenders: Thiago Silva Trevoh Chalobah Ben Chilwell Marc Cucurella Malo Gusto Bashir Humphreys Levi Colwill lan Maatsen Alfie Gilchrist Midfielders: Enzo Fernandez Conor Gallagher Carney Chukwuemeka Andrey Santos Cesare Casadei Lewis Hall Forwards: Mykhailo Mudryk Raheem Sterling Noni Madueke Angelo Gabriel Diego Moreira Nicolas Jackson Christopher Nkunku Mason Burstow Dujuan Richards (training only) Reece James reported feeling unwell this morning so is not travelling as a precaution. He will join up with the squad as soon as he's better. Wesley Fofana has also not travelled due to a knee injury, which is currently being assessed. Marcus Bettinelli, Benoit Badiashile and Armando Broja will too remain at Cobham as they continue their respective recoveries from injury. This highlights a few things for me. Still a few to get rid of, still a few to get through the door. Badly need a GK or that Slonina is kept around and allowed to challenge Kepa. This highlights why we need to keep Chalobah. Both Fofana and James are too fragile. Midfield is a worry, we badly need Caicedo but even so, one more viable option. Let’s say 3 top options, one established option and two youngsters. I’m counting 12 players out of 29 who are unlikely to be part of the final squad - Bergström, Beach, Cumming, Cucurella, Humphreys, Gilchrist, two out of - Chukwuemeka, Santos, Casadei-, Gabriel, Moreira, Burstow, Richards So very obvious what we need to focus on. Get Lukaku, Auba, Ziyech and Cucurella sorted. Then focus on GK, Caideco, CM, RW/AMR, S.
ROTG Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said: Agreed espesh about Arsenal. They’ve spent £200m+ on three players. If you call Havertz a player but anyway. Absolutely Mr Door. is not the Chelsea Model based on the Arse model? Always ROTG
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, ROTG said: Absolutely Mr Door. is not the Chelsea Model based on the Arse model? Always ROTG My dear Mr Gizmo, Thank you for your message. It is always good to hear from you. Who knows? All I do know is the trophy haul. As ever C_M
Sleeping Dave Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 GK: Arrizabalaga, Slonina, Bettinelli RB: James, Gusto CB: Silva, Fofana, Badiashile, Colwill, Chalobah LB: Chilwell, Maatsen CM: Enzo, Caicedo, CM, Gallagher, Santos, Hall AM: Sterling, Mudryk, Nkunku, Madueke, AMR/RW S: S1, Jackson, Richards/Broja/Burstow So; GK: new GK or keep Slonina CB: keep Chalobah LB: sell Cucurella and let Maatsen take over LB2 CM: Get Caicedo over the line plus add another CM (or expect Gallagher, Santos and Hall to have big seasons) AM: Gallagher is Nkunkus back-up. We are one right sided attacker short. Go out and get one or let Angelo Gabriel stay on. Sell Ziyech. S: Sell both Auba and Lukaku. Get one too goalscorer through the doors. Let one of Broja, Richards, Burstow stay on as S3.
martin1905 Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) I think Fofana is absolute class and at times was outstanding last season. He had a couple of shaky games but that it. His potential and ceiling are ridiculously high, just look at his career trajectory he's only 22, went from France to Leicester for £30m+, at the age of 20, then even after a serious injury went to one of the biggest teams in the world for £70m and has recently made his full international debut, for a team absolutely stacked with players in his position . It's funny how so often these sub par players do so well, almost like the actual experts know a little more than random internet fans. It's a real shame he's missed so much football and appears to have a real problem, something that could well ruin his career. What a sad state of affairs it is when he has to shut down his social media because of the grief he has received from his own fans, due to an injury. As I've said, many a time, Chelsea fans are the worst of the lot, my most hated fan base, by a million miles. Edited July 18, 2023 by martin1905
Sleeping Dave Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, martin1905 said: I think Fofana is absolute class and at times was outstanding last season. He had a couple of shaky games but that it. His potential and ceiling are ridiculously high, just look at his career trajectory he's only 22, went from France to Leicester for £30m+, at the age of 20, then even after a serious injury went to one of the biggest teams in the world for £70m and has recently made his full international debut, for a team absolutely stacked with players in his position . It's funny how so often these sub par players do so well, almost like the actual experts know a little more than random internet fans. It's a real shame he's missed so much football and appears to have a real problem, something that could well ruin his career. What a sad state of affairs it is when he has to shut down his social media because of the grief he has received from his own fans, due to an injury. As I've said, many a time, Chelsea fans are the worst of the lot, my most hated fan base, by a million miles. I think the jury is still very much out for me Martin. Never mind his talent, let’s put that aside for a minute, but given his injury problems over the last two seasons alone how can one not be very worried? The club should have taken his initial knee injury more serious it seem… As for his ceiling, I remember us saying Michael Duberry had a high ceiling. Of course, the yard stick has moved a lot over the years. But for me Fofana is present day Duberry. I really hope this will come back and make me look very stupid. 1 1
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Sleeping Dave said: I think the jury is still very much out for me Martin. Never mind his talent, let’s put that aside for a minute, but given his injury problems over the last two seasons alone how can one not be very worried? The club should have taken his initial knee injury more serious it seem… As for his ceiling, I remember us saying Michael Duberry had a high ceiling. Of course, the yard stick has moved a lot over the years. But for me Fofana is present day Duberry. I really hope this will come back and make me look very stupid. Agreed. He has much to prove.
Holymoly Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Sleeping Dave said: So very obvious what we need to focus on. Get Lukaku, Auba, Ziyech and Cucurella sorted. Then focus on GK, Caideco, CM, RW/AMR, S. Put GK at the bottom of the list
Ham Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 7 hours ago, ROTG said: Deep breath MK we conceded more goals than any of the top 4. So striking was not our only problem. Clearly trolling with this line of thought.
ROTG Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Ham said: Clearly trolling with this line of thought. No trolling just facts.
Holymoly Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 I see the BetVictor "supercomputer" is predicting us to finish 10th as we stand. Progress then.
Sciatika Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 Their 2022-3 table had us at 5th. We may have gone backwards!
ROTG Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 On 18/07/2023 at 13:07, Sleeping Dave said: GK: Arrizabalaga, Slonina, Bettinelli RB: James, Gusto CB: Silva, Fofana, Badiashile, Colwill, Chalobah LB: Chilwell, Maatsen CM: Enzo, Caicedo, CM, Gallagher, Santos, Hall AM: Sterling, Mudryk, Nkunku, Madueke, AMR/RW S: S1, Jackson, Richards/Broja/Burstow So; GK: new GK or keep Slonina CB: keep Chalobah LB: sell Cucurella and let Maatsen take over LB2 CM: Get Caicedo over the line plus add another CM (or expect Gallagher, Santos and Hall to have big seasons) AM: Gallagher is Nkunkus back-up. We are one right sided attacker short. Go out and get one or let Angelo Gabriel stay on. Sell Ziyech. S: Sell both Auba and Lukaku. Get one too goalscorer through the doors. Let one of Broja, Richards, Burstow stay on as S3. You need to trim your squad to 22, that Poch's magic number
xceleryx Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, ROTG said: You need to trim your squad to 22, that Poch's magic number Poch has said he's looking at a squad size of 23, 24 or 25.
Sleeping Dave Posted August 5, 2023 Posted August 5, 2023 On 28/07/2023 at 04:16, xceleryx said: Poch has said he's looking at a squad size of 23, 24 or 25. Let’s assume we will land on something like 23 including 3 goalkeepers. Players in bold should be part of the final squad, the rest are up for discussion. I’m not even listing Fofana. GK: Arrizabalaga, Sanchez, Bettinelli RB: James, Gusto LB: Chilwell, Cucurella, Maatsen CB: Silva, Colwill, Badiashile, Disasi, Chalobah, Humphreys, Gilchrist CM: Enzo, Gallagher, Santos, Casadei, Ugochukwu, Hall AM: Nkunku, Chukwuemeka W: Sterling, Mudryk, Madueke, Angelo Gabriel S: Jackson, Broja, Burstow That’s 20 players who will guaranteed be part of the squad. Lots of talk of Olise. If we sign him that’s 21. The last two will hopefully be a serious DM and perhaps Chukwuemeka..? Arrizabalaga, Sanchez, Bettinelli, James, Gusto, Chilwell, Cucurella, Maatsen, Silva, Colwill, Badiashile, Disasi, Enzo, DM, Gallagher, Santos, Nkunku, Chukwuemeka, Sterling, Mudryk, Madueke, Olise, Jackson
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