My Blood Is Blue Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Please use this thread for all posts relating to England's Group C match against Serbia at Arena AufSchalke before, during and after the game. The match is scheduled to kick off at 20:00 hours on Sunday, 16th June 2024 (Local UK time/date) (Live on BBC1) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 I hope Southgate goes for it, we have the forward players to hurt almost all the teams in this tournament and definitely all those in our group. If we go at them and take the game to them, then we should have more than enough. My concern is that I'm not sure Southgate has it in him to do that. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallagher get a start following the defeat to Iceland to try and shore things up a bit in the midfield. I think we'll see: Pickford Walker - Stones - Guehi - Trippier Gallagher - Rice - Bellingham Saka - Kane - Foden Bellingham will likely push into a more advanced role when we attack, but I expect us to start with a 3 in midfield. I would (obviously) start with Palmer and on form, I would have him in over Saka, but I can't see Southgate doing that. I also wouldn't be shocked to see Gordon get a start on the left and Southgate dropping Foden to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 11/06/2024 at 13:58, My Blood Is Blue said: I also wouldn't be shocked to see Gordon get a start on the left and Southgate dropping Foden to the bench. If Foden doesn't start, that would be a MASSIVE shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, paulw66 said: If Foden doesn't start, that would be a MASSIVE shock. Agree, but if one man has the potential to do it... it's Gareth. In this tournament, we have a few 'must play' players in every match and Foden is one of those, IMO. The others are Bellingham, Kane, Rice and Stones. We then build around these based on the opposition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ham Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said: No way Saka has earned his place based on form. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Stones playing like he's stoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Great by Bellingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) I know I am not the greatest analyst but has "arry actually touched the ball this half?..maybe he's doing more off the ball than I can see. One goal isn't enough...England the better side but not by enough to rest on one goal. Aside..what the F is Pickford wearing ?..little girl socks and goodness knows who chose his colour scheme! I have the sound off for the game and the half time rubbish,,,,we have Sturridge among the "panel;",,,,waster before and waster now,,,who picks these "pundits'? our twosome? Edited June 16 by chara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 We won, but the performances was awful. Trent is not a CM and having him there throws the balance completely off. Gallagher should start the next match. Surprised Palmer didn’t come on or Gordon or Eze with a bit of pace. Kane offered very very little and it all felt very flat. Criminal to be playing the way we did with the attacking talent in this squad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd25 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) As usual, watching a Gareth Southgate team is like watching paint dry, he has limited in game management skills and his substitutions are very hit and miss, water is wet. If United bring him in after Ten Hag, we should all be very happy, keeping Palmer away from his football’s probably not a bad idea either. Edited June 16 by Floyd25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 We have no natural width on the left side and three attacking forwards that can play on the right, extremely unbalanced. The press warned about that when Grealish was excluded, they were right tonight. TTA did not work we looked much better with Gallagher. Bellingham played well as did Saka in the first. For me we go out in the Quarters though may well win our group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Watching Gareth's England's master class is like taking a bath...hot and enjoyable for about five minutes,,slowly cooling down to an uncomfortable level then swirling down the plug hole. England will probably win the group..lose/draw with Denmark but scrape through thanks to favourable results elsewhere, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, chara said: Watching Gareth's England's master class is like taking a bath...hot and enjoyable for about five minutes,,slowly cooling down to an uncomfortable level then swirling down the plug hole. England will probably win the group..lose/draw with Denmark but scrape through thanks to favourable results elsewhere, The minute we play anyone decent, we're done. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Kane , not for the first time in his International career may as well have not been there, when we were looking for an out ball he was nowhere , when we were looking for a focal point to the attack he was standing in the centre circle. Bellingham was very good but I expect not as good as he thinks he was , Trent ( everyone's on first name terms with him because Liverpool) was as good in midfield as he is at right back. Southgate is the Pochettino of International football , all vibes and no tactical awareness , we may have done "better" than expected these last few tournaments but not as well as we should have because he's a muppet with no idea , I pray he gets the United job as that would be them out of the picture for five years . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I think Southgate gets stuck in the headlights like a scared rabbit. After a decent start, by the end of the first half, it was obvious that we needed change. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 40 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Kane , not for the first time in his International career may as well have not been there, when we were looking for an out ball he was nowhere , when we were looking for a focal point to the attack he was standing in the centre circle. Bellingham was very good but I expect not as good as he thinks he was , Trent ( everyone's on first name terms with him because Liverpool) was as good in midfield as he is at right back. Southgate is the Pochettino of International football , all vibes and no tactical awareness , we may have done "better" than expected these last few tournaments but not as well as we should have because he's a muppet with no idea , I pray he gets the United job as that would be them out of the picture for five years . Pretty much spot on. Bellingham was good, but not as good as the media would currently have you believe. He’ll be better than this in the tournament as will this England team, but the commentary and punditry last night made it feel like the England performance was much better than it was. Tournament football is tough and you need your manager to make big decisions and Southgate needs to make some. TAA is not a midfielder and should not be playing there. I don’t care how well he can pass a ball over a long distance, give me a Gallagher any day. Foden needs the freedom to play his game, he feels tactically stifled under Southgate and it’s painful to watch and he’s wasting our best player. I imagine this is why Palmer isn’t going to get much game time, because Southgate doesn’t want him to just play his natural game and roam around making things happen. Saka hasn’t been in form for a while, so why keep playing him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Southgate has always been very stubborn so don't expect him to drop the TAA experiment immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, My Blood Is Blue said: Saka hasn’t been in form for a while, so why keep playing him? Playing Saka was pretty much against everything that Southgate is supposed to stand for , he's so out of form , I don't think he had a bad game particularly in the first half but he flatters to deceive in my opinion , looks flash , does little . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 48 minutes ago, Ham said: Southgate has always been very stubborn so don't expect him to drop the TAA experiment immediately. Unfortunately, you're probably right. The thing is, if it isn't working now, it's definitely not working against the better teams later in the tournament, so surely he's better off playing Gallagher or Mainoo now, to build up the understanding with the rest of the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 Just now, Mark Kelly said: Playing Saka was pretty much against everything that Southgate is supposed to stand for , he's so out of form , I don't think he had a bad game particularly in the first half but he flatters to deceive in my opinion , looks flash , does little . I agree, he's living off his past form at the moment. I know we're biased on here, but it's crazy to me that Cole Palmer has had the season he has had and Southgate isn't trying to find a way to get him in his team (yet he is trying to find a way to get TAA in). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, My Blood Is Blue said: I agree, he's living off his past form at the moment. I know we're biased on here, but it's crazy to me that Cole Palmer has had the season he has had and Southgate isn't trying to find a way to get him in his team (yet he is trying to find a way to get TAA in). It's insane but in a way I'm relieved as the less Chelsea players that get involved the less blame will be apportioned to them by the media blind to the faults of Arsenal , Liverpool and United players 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Saka put in three crosses yesterday, Walker one and Bowen one, I don't recall any from the left side. Bellingham scores from Saka's cross. Can only think he was training well. Foden was not really involved yet he does not play on the left for his club, also his club play a high line so he never runs so much for me and probably the same for Kane. I find it depressing Kane stays on for the full 90 around the 70 mark he looked shattered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JaneB Posted June 17 Popular Post Share Posted June 17 Reading through this thread and the general chat on this topic makes me realise I know even less about football tactics than I thought I did!! So, diverting a bit, I can only repeat something I read on twitter that putting Cesc Fabregas alongside Ferdinand and Richards is like sitting Paul McCartney between Jedward. Thank goodness for an articulate, objective analysis from someone whose first language isn't English. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 We had three players playing out of position at the start, TTA, Trippier and Foden now I am used to seeing one occasionally two in case of injuries yet not three. This is why despite the hype around Bellingham ( and he took his goal really well) I can't get too excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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