Newcastle United 2 Chelsea 0

[Morgs]

Not bothered about last night in terms of result but alarmed at how poor Jorgensen, Badiashile and Disasi were. Tosin was poor as well and I worry for Enzo and KDH because I struggle to see them getting in the side at all from now on. 

Badiashile particularly - he's been making some progress lately and last night was a horror show regression. I still maintain there is a player there (same with Disasi) but neither can afford many/any more games like that. Dreadful. 

I still think we could have nicked something as we had some good chances but couldn't put them away and honestly, had we nicked it Newcastle would be hard done by. As others have said, they wanted it a lot more than us. 

I thought Mudryk did okay though. 

Got to ask though - what does Chuks have to do to get in the side????  He is a better player than Enzo and KDH put together and gets consistently overlooked. I am starting to think he will go in Jan, sadly.

[paulw66]

Not that I am overly bothered by going out, but I thought with a little tweak, we would have had a much better chance of winning.

1. KdH at RW. I understand that Sunday is a priority, and Sancho (who was ill) can't play then, but surely Madueke and Neto could have done half each, and still been fresh to start on Sunday? To play a CM at RW was odd and was compounded by having a CB at RB. There was no threat from the right until Madueke came on.

2. Why take Palmer if zero desire to bring him on.

3. Why not throw on any of Casadei, Chuk, Chilwell or Guiu? By not bringing on Palmer, the towel was effectively thrown in anyway, so why not give those guys a run?

I have been impressed with EM, but thought he made some odd choices yesterday. 

[paulw66]

6 minutes ago, Morgs said:

Not bothered about last night in terms of result but alarmed at how poor Jorgensen, Badiashile and Disasi were. Tosin was poor as well and I worry for Enzo and KDH because I struggle to see them getting in the side at all from now on. 

Badiashile particularly - he's been making some progress lately and last night was a horror show regression. I still maintain there is a player there (same with Disasi) but neither can afford many/any more games like that. Dreadful. 

I still think we could have nicked something as we had some good chances but couldn't put them away and honestly, had we nicked it Newcastle would be hard done by. As others have said, they wanted it a lot more than us. 

I thought Mudryk did okay though. 

Got to ask though - what does Chuks have to do to get in the side????  He is a better player than Enzo and KDH put together and gets consistently overlooked. I am starting to think he will go in Jan, sadly.

Agree with all of this.

I think Disasi and Badiashile are decent players, but playing so infrequently doesn't help. 

KdH was a pointless signing. When Santos comes back in next season, he will be off on loan somewhere. Ezno just seems to be going backwards. 

Edit - thought Mudryk had some good moments. Could have had a couple of assists with better finishing 

Edited October 31 by paulw66

[Sciatika]

I feel some of EM's choices were based on (possibly cod) psychology. You have Palmer on the bench to remind players of the standards expected of a league team. You don't choose to play him because it suggests the players on the field are not good enough. As Cundy pointed out. KdH is a B2B midfielder. He says this is a role that EM does not use, though I might argue that players like Caicedo and Enzo (in theory) do. If so, why bring him in? All the same, KdH was played on the left, which is not his position. He was withdrawn and replaced by Madueke, and we immediately looked like a more balanced side.  My main concern (as always) in our squad is the defence - both league and conference sides. I don't think they are bad players, but they are being asked to do things they are very uncomfortable with, and, especially in the league, it is asking for trouble. 

Edited October 31 by Sciatika

[Mark Kelly]

The twins down the end of my rd were going to do Halloween as the " Grady twins" from The Shining but after last night they've decided Badiashile and Disasi are a far more frightening proposition . 

[exiledblue]

Havent found any comments from the manager. What did he have to say?

[Backbiter]

35 minutes ago, exiledblue said:

Havent found any comments from the manager. What did he have to say?

I read he was happy with the performance but not the result, and that he felt the wholesale changes he made were justified.

[asvaberg]

1 hour ago, exiledblue said:

Havent found any comments from the manager. What did he have to say?

Chelsea boss Enzo Maresca, speaking to the media after defeat by Newcastle in the League Cup:

"I think it [making changes] works if we analyse the performance, if we analyse the result it didn't work, but for 22-23 minutes, until their goal, we were in control.

"Then after the goal we lost control for 10 minutes, where we also conceded the second one.

"Again, the last 10 minutes of first half we had two clear chances that unfortunately we didn't score. Second half we were in control of the game.

"The most important thing is the result. But the performance, I think we lost the game because of 10 minutes after the first goal we conceded, then for the rest we were quite good."

[Blue Orca]

I think if he analyses the performance it clearly did not work.

I keep dreaming that we hadn't sold the defenders that provided the funds for Disaster etc al. Back four last night of Tomori, Guehi, Livremento and Hall looks much better than the oafs we played. 

[CarefreeMuratcan]

18 minutes ago, asvaberg said:

Chelsea boss Enzo Maresca, speaking to the media after defeat by Newcastle in the League Cup:

"I think it [making changes] works if we analyse the performance, if we analyse the result it didn't work, but for 22-23 minutes, until their goal, we were in control.

"Then after the goal we lost control for 10 minutes, where we also conceded the second one.

"Again, the last 10 minutes of first half we had two clear chances that unfortunately we didn't score. Second half we were in control of the game.

"The most important thing is the result. But the performance, I think we lost the game because of 10 minutes after the first goal we conceded, then for the rest we were quite good."

Yes that's how I saw it. We were cutting them open just as easily as they were us, they scored, we didn't. If we could have just scored 1 it would have increased our confidence, dented theirs, and I think we would have won if it turned into a basketball/hockey end to end game.

[asvaberg]

4 hours ago, Blue Orca said:

I think if he analyses the performance it clearly did not work.

I keep dreaming that we hadn't sold the defenders that provided the funds for Disaster etc al. Back four last night of Tomori, Guehi, Livremento and Hall looks much better than the oafs we played. 

I wonder why we sold Hall. He's like a hard working terrier and in some ways he reminds me of Chopper Harris in his early days.

[chiswickblue]

1 hour ago, asvaberg said:

I wonder why we sold Hall. He's like a hard working terrier and in some ways he reminds me of Chopper Harris in his early days.

Pure profit! See Mount, Gallagher and others.

[Rob B]

10 hours ago, paulw66 said:

I have been impressed with EM, but thought he made some odd choices yesterday. 

Yep, I made the same point.

I think he has taken this “cup team” thing too literally and there was no need to make 11 changes.  7 or 8 would have been plenty and those 3-4 first teamers (Colwill, Gusto, Madueke for example) who’ve been playing one game a week since August, would have made the world of difference. 

I hope he doesn’t make the same mistake if we get a PL team in the FA Cup. 

[Blue Orca]

2 hours ago, asvaberg said:

I wonder why we sold Hall. He's like a hard working terrier and in some ways he reminds me of Chopper Harris in his early days.

Another strange decision. What are your thoughts on Gilchrist? 

[asvaberg]

16 minutes ago, Blue Orca said:

Another strange decision. What are your thoughts on Gilchrist? 

From what I recall I think he has(had) the potential for a "new" John Terry. But my memory could be very wrong. Luckily, we haven't sold him.......yet

[Bert19]

12 hours ago, Blue Orca said:

Another strange decision. What are your thoughts on Gilchrist? 

I thought Hall wanted to leave? His family are all Newcastle fans and he wanted to ply up there? 

[Sciatika]

14 hours ago, asvaberg said:

I wonder why we sold Hall. He's like a hard working terrier and in some ways he reminds me of Chopper Harris in his early days.

My memory (not the sharpest tool at my disposal) is that he wanted to go because of his lack of playing time at Chelsea, given that, in theory, Chilwell and Cucurella were ahead of him. If he was looking to move, then Newcastle made sense because he had grown up a Newcastle fan (his family comes from there).  As @Bert19 said.

Edited November 1 by Sciatika

[chiswickblue]

5 hours ago, Sciatika said:

My memory (not the sharpest tool at my disposal) is that he wanted to go because of his lack of playing time at Chelsea, given that, in theory, Chilwell and Cucurella were ahead of him. If he was looking to move, then Newcastle made sense because he had grown up a Newcastle fan (his family comes from there).  As @Bert19 said.

These sorts of stories always appear after a move, to make it seem inevitable. If we had wanted him to stay, he would have stayed. Same with Mount, Gallagher and many others before.

We couldn't convince him he had a future at the club and/or we needed the cash.

[NoblyBobly]

On 31/10/2024 at 14:02, Blue Orca said:

I think if he analyses the performance it clearly did not work.

I keep dreaming that we hadn't sold the defenders that provided the funds for Disaster etc al. Back four last night of Tomori, Guehi, Livremento and Hall looks much better than the oafs we played. 

We have made some strange decisions back there. Someone now please try and tell me that Chalabah is a worse player than that pair on Thursday? Or for that matter that Enzo is a better more effective DM player than Conner. 

[NoblyBobly]

On 31/10/2024 at 21:10, Blue Orca said:

Another strange decision. What are your thoughts on Gilchrist? 

Gilchrist is playing really well for his loan club and they are absolutely loving him. He’s also proving versatile and a decent CB too. 
It’s another example of the board trusting in the wrong players . Don’t get me wrong, they have made some great buys and proved many of us wrong, but you need to call out poor decisions. Chalabah, Gilchrist, Connor , Petrovic were all bad decisions.