Transfer Talk Topic

[CarefreeMuratcan]

[My Blood Is Blue]

Apparently Caicedo hasn’t turned up for training today. Really seems like he’s trying to force through a move in this window.

[Bob Singleton]

Just four full days left before the window closes.

* Linked in Summer 2022    Red = New rumour/change of circumstance since last list

GOALKEEPERS

Robert Sánchez (Brighton & Hove Albion)
Jordan Pickford (Everton) *
Illan Meslier (Leeds United)
Diogo Costa (Porto)
David Raya (Brentford)



DEFENDERS

Joško Gvardiol (RB Leipzig) *
Benjamin Pavard (Bayern Munich) *
Milan Skriniar (Inter Milan – Contract ends 30 June 2023) *
Denzel Dumfries (Inter Milan) *
Jeremie Frimpong (Bayer Leverkusen)
Nelson Semedo (Wolverhampton Wanderers)
Alejandro Grimaldo (Benfica)
Malo Gusto (Lyon > Chelsea 1 July 2023) - Not yet officially confirmed
Jose Gimenez (Atletico Madrid) *
Joël Veltman (Brighton & Hove Albion – Contract ends 30 June 2023)
Kyle Walker-Peters (Southampton) *
Tino Livramento (Southampton)
Triston Rowe (Aston Villa)
Piero Hincapié (Bayer Leverkusen)
Nahuel Molina (Atletico Madrid)
Evan N’Dicka (Eintracht Frankfurt)
Josip Juranovic (Glasgow Celtic > Union Berlin)
Benoit Badiashile (AS Monaco > Chelsea)
Alex Sandro (Juventus – contract ends 30 June 2023)
Ivan Fresneda (Real Valladolid)
Matty Cash (Aston Villa)
Pedro Porro (Sporting Lisbon)
Rafa Marin (Real Madrid)

 

MIDFIELDERS

Declan Rice (West Ham United) *
Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund) *
Konrad Laimer (RB Leipzig)
Sandro Tonali (AC Milan)
Moisés Caicedo (Brighton & Hove Albion)
Leandro Trossard (Brighton & Hove Albion > Arsenal)
Alexis Mac Allister (Brighton & Hove Albion)
Stanislav Lobotka (SSC Napoli)
Ibrahim Sangaré (PSV Eindhoven)*
Frenkie de Jong (Barcelona) *
Enzo Fernandez (Benfica)
Adrien Rabiot (Juventus – Contract ends 30 June 2023) *
Arsen Zakharyan (Dynamo Moscow) *
Edson Alvarez (Ajax) *
Naby Keita (Liverpool – Contract ends 30 June 2023)
Bruno Guimaraes (Newcastle United)
Weston McKennie (Juventus)
Lorenzo Pellegrini (Roma)
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (Lazio) *
Romeo Lavia (Southampton) *
Leon Bailey (Aston Villa)
Andrey Santos (Vasco da Gama > Chelsea)
James Maddison (Leicester City)
Ismael Bennacer (AC Milan)
Yunus Musah (Valencia)
Sander Berge (Sheffield United) *
Youri Tielemans (Leicester City) *
Ethan Nwaneri (Arsenal – 15 Can't sign a contract until 16)
Chris Rigg (Sunderland – 15 Can't sign a contract until 16)
Martin Zubimendi (Real Sociedad)
Kouadio Kone (Borussia Monchengladbach)
Nicolo Barella (Inter Milan)
Khephren Thuram (Nice)
Noah Mbamba (Club Brugge)
Matheus Nunes (Wolverhampton Wanderers)
Eduardo Camavinga (Real Madrid) – On Loan?
Amadou Onana (Everton)
Anthony Gordon (Everton) *

ATTACKERS

Christopher Nkunku (RB Leipzig > Chelsea 1 July 2023) * - Not yet officially confirmed
Rafael Leao (AC Milan) *
Kylian Mbappe (PSG) *
Bukayo Saka (Arsenal) *
Marcus Rashford (Manchester United) *
Christiano Ronaldo (Free Agent > Al Nassr) *
Gabriel Martinelli (Arsenal – Contract extended to 30 June 2027)
Joao Felix (Atletico Madrid > Chelsea – Loan until 30 June 2023)
Jonathan David (OSC Lille) *
Neymar (PSG) *
Victor Osimhen (SSC Napoli) *
Mykhaylo Mudryk (Shakhtar Donetsk > Chelsea) *
Wilfred Zaha (Crystal Palace – Contract ends 30 June 2023) *
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia (SSC Napoli)
Arnaut Danjuma (Villareal)
Junior Adamu (RB Salzburg)
Benjamin Sesko (RB Salzburg – Pre Contract to join RB Leipzig on 1 July 2023)
Lautaro Martinez (Inter Milan) *
Endrick (Palmeiras > Real Madrid - Pre-Contract agreement once he turns 18) *
Martin Terrier (Rennes) *
Yéremy Pino (Villarreal)
Ivan Toney (Brentford) *
Youssoufa Moukoko (Borussia Dortmund – Contract Extended to 30 June 2026)
Memphis Depay (Barcelona > Atletico Madrid) *
Federico Chiesa (Juventus)
Pepê (Porto)
Cody Gakpo (PSV > Liverpool)
Mohammed Kudus (Ajax)
Jadon Sancho (Manchester United)
Dusan Vlahovic (Juventus)
Tammy Abraham (Roma)
Goncalo Ramos (SL Benfica)
David Datro Fofana (Molde > Chelsea)
Matheus Kunha (Atletico Madrid)
Beto (Udinese)
Dani Olmo (RB Leipzig)
Marcus Thuram (Borussia Monchengladbach – Contract ends 30 June 2023)
Mikey Moore (Tottenham Hotspurs – 15 Can't sign a contract until 16)
Jhon Duran (Chicago Fire > Aston Villa) *
Vitor Roque (Athletico Paranaense – 17 Can't sign a contract in UK until 18)
Noni Madueke (PSV Eindhoven > Chelsea)

 

[thevelourfog]

26 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

Apparently Caicedo hasn’t turned up for training today. Really seems like he’s trying to force through a move in this window.

Feels a bit like one of us and Arsenal is about to give a rashly judged, £80m middle finger to the other.

[Ham]

46 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Feels a bit like one of us and Arsenal is about to give a rashly judged, £80m middle finger to the other.

I hope it's not us because if we're prepared to spend £80m on him, why not spend £106 on Enzo and be done with it?

 

[thevelourfog]

2 minutes ago, Ham said:

I hope it's not us because if we're prepared to spend £80m on him, why not spend £106 on Enzo and be done with it?

 

Structure of any potential deal? Doubt it's as simple as the total to be paid. Reckon Caicedo is off to Arsenal, mind. We know they tap players up.

Reports Gusto is done but going back to Lyon on loan. 

[Bob Singleton]

1 hour ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

Apparently Caicedo hasn’t turned up for training today. Really seems like he’s trying to force through a move in this window.

Some sources saying he didn't turn up to training; some sources saying he was told to stay away by the club.

[Mark Kelly]

59 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Structure of any potential deal? Doubt it's as simple as the total to be paid. Reckon Caicedo is off to Arsenal, mind. We know they tap players up.

Reports Gusto is done but going back to Lyon on loan. 

Tap players up? Surely not . Lol.

It's amazing what you can get away with it the media are protecting you isn't it?

We know they'd approached Mudryk before they approached Shaktar , three of them apparently - not a word of outrage in the media 

We know what's going on in their midfield - not a word of outrage in the media.

We've seen Arteta spend ninety percent of the game outside his technical area - the media (and Arteta) think this is hilarious.

 

[Bob Singleton]

16 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

[SNIP]

We know what's going on in their midfield - not a word of outrage in the media.

[SNIP]

 

As I said a few pages back, the matter is sub judice.  No newspaper, radio station, TV channel etc is going to mention it for fear of a hefty fine or worse.

[Bison]

13 hours ago, xceleryx said:

From what I've read and heard he seems very good in possession and going forward - high pass completion rates across all ranges, likes a cross, gets the ball into the box frequently, composed under pressure, technically sound, ranks highly in key passing statistics. Basically all the good things you want in a modern attacking fullback. Defensively though he's been said to be a little more suspect and is virtually a non-factor in the air (being 5'10" probably doesn't help this either). 

As long as he's not a complete sieve defensively, he should be able to give us the attacking output we lack whenever Reece James isn't in the side. I think that's arguably the most important aspect to this deal and will help retain some degree of balance.

Saw this picture doing the rounds:

Certainly seems like the ideal offensive cover/competition for Reece James.

[Ham]

2 hours ago, thevelourfog said:

Structure of any potential deal? Doubt it's as simple as the total to be paid. Reckon Caicedo is off to Arsenal, mind. We know they tap players up.

Reports Gusto is done but going back to Lyon on loan. 

Yeah that was mentioned but we haven't tested that apparently. We apparently low-balled them after they came to the UK to agree a deal at the release clause.

Were we to offer £106m, would they agree to stage payments? Who knows?

The question is whether it's actually a release clause or a buy-out clause.

If it's the former we can do it within FFP. If it's a buy-out clause then it can't be done.

I doubt it's the latter as we surely would have known that before any negotiation. 

[thevelourfog]

2 hours ago, Bob Singleton said:

As I said a few pages back, the matter is sub judice.  No newspaper, radio station, TV channel etc is going to mention it for fear of a hefty fine or worse.

Well, no. No one is going to name names, clearly. But the press have reported on it, and anyone who wanted to could take an editorial line on a club continuing to pick a player bailed on rape charges and publish a piece on that. They're choosing not to.

[Ham]

3 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Well, no. No one is going to name names, clearly. But the press have reported on it, and anyone who wanted to could take an editorial line on a club continuing to pick a player bailed on rape charges and publish a piece on that. They're choosing not to.

Not only that but it grates to hear/ read glowing reports about his performances from mainstream media. 

The latest media concern about the possible impact to arsenal's season because of his injury also.  

They could choose not to comment/post at all. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Ham

[McCreadie]

Just a thought - what are the newly collected recruitment team going to DO for the next 4 years? We won’t need any new players at this rate! Two of them haven’t even started yet 🙂

[chara]

4 minutes ago, McCreadie said:

Just a thought - what are the newly collected recruitment team going to DO for the next 4 years? We won’t need any new players at this rate! Two of them haven’t even started yet 🙂

That is a great point Mac...are they involved down to the youngest level of recruitment?

Good to see you made it back!!

[McCreadie]

23 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

You're back ! Brilliant !

Haha. Thanks for the welcome - I found the new board eventually. Felt a bit like you all waited till I wasn’t looking and ran off! 😆

[Bob Singleton]

Malo Gusto passes medical. 6½ year contract offered. €30m fee. Remains at Lyon on loan until end of the season.
No doubt an official announcement will be made in the next day or so.

[Mark Kelly]

12 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

Malo Gusto passes medical. 6½ year contract offered. €30m fee. Remains at Lyon on loan until end of the season.
No doubt an official announcement will be made in the next day or so.

Providing Reece James stays fit until summer this appears to be a good deal ,.sharing many of James attributes.

Hopefully our season falling off a cliff because Chilly and James are out won't ever happen again.

[xceleryx]

9 hours ago, Ham said:

Yeah that was mentioned but we haven't tested that apparently. We apparently low-balled them after they came to the UK to agree a deal at the release clause.

Were we to offer £106m, would they agree to stage payments? Who knows?

The question is whether it's actually a release clause or a buy-out clause.

If it's the former we can do it within FFP. If it's a buy-out clause then it can't be done.

I doubt it's the latter as we surely would have known that before any negotiation. 

Release and buy-out clauses are one and the same, merely different names in which they're called. That's how I've always interpreted it anyway. 

The issue AFAIK has always been that to activate said clause payment has to be done in one lump sum, opposed to if we negotiate a deal which allows us to structure payments in instalments and therefore allows the cost to be spread out over several years. This is why we were reportedly trying to offer more than the release/buyout clause value, as it would've allowed us to continue to spend in the transfer market and not blow FPP out the water. 

[ROTG]

10 hours ago, McCreadie said:

Just a thought - what are the newly collected recruitment team going to DO for the next 4 years? We won’t need any new players at this rate! Two of them haven’t even started yet 🙂

Just sit there and take the money. Regardless of when they joined should the signings go south they will be held responsible. 

 Same as the previous regime Even though their recruitment helped the team win every competition and the league.

It’s a funny old game. 

[Ham]

12 hours ago, xceleryx said:

Release and buy-out clauses are one and the same, merely different names in which they're called. That's how I've always interpreted it anyway. 

The issue AFAIK has always been that to activate said clause payment has to be done in one lump sum, opposed to if we negotiate a deal which allows us to structure payments in instalments and therefore allows the cost to be spread out over several years. This is why we were reportedly trying to offer more than the release/buyout clause value, as it would've allowed us to continue to spend in the transfer market and not blow FPP out the water. 

Yeah the difference is that with a buyout clause, the buying club pays the player in one payment and he pays his club.  100% immediate hit on club's account.  

 

[xceleryx]

5 minutes ago, Ham said:

Yeah the difference is that with a buyout clause, the buying club pays the player in one payment and he pays his club.  100% immediate hit on club's account.  

 

That's fair, makes a bit more sense then. 

[paulw66]

36 minutes ago, Ham said:

Yeah the difference is that with a buyout clause, the buying club pays the player in one payment and he pays his club.  100% immediate hit on club's account.  

 

This isn't how FFP works. That is cash flow. 

When you sign a player, irrespective of how and when you pay the fee, the fee is accounted for over the period of the player's contract 

[My Blood Is Blue]

Apparently we’ve gone back in with an offer for Enzo, €120m and no players included this time, but Benfica still saying no.

[Rob B]

3 hours ago, paulw66 said:

This isn't how FFP works. That is cash flow. 

When you sign a player, irrespective of how and when you pay the fee, the fee is accounted for over the period of the player's contract 

For transfer fees and release clauses yes….  But not for ‘buy out clauses’ according to Jake Cohen.  

He tweeted this a few days ago which is quite interesting…