Mark Kelly Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) He's really, really good at working with young players... Edited December 9, 2023 by Mark Kelly 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 The good news is the ref is Michael Oliver who is the least cretinous / cheaty of the bunch, the bad news is VAR is Stewart Atwell who's appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: The good news is the ref is Michael Oliver who is the least cretinous / cheaty of the bunch, the bad news is VAR is Stewart Atwell who's appalling. It won't make a difference. My prediction is a 3-0 defeat for our boys tomorrow. I don't think I can bring myself to watch it this time either, not just because the results haven't been great, it's not even the performances or lack of them or the lack of fight and desire, but it is because I am struggling to feel any connection to this current team and club as a whole and I'm struggling to find enjoyment when watching this club at the moment and surely that is the point of watching football? It isn't helped by the constant overuse of VAR and still having ridiculous decisions seemingly come up every week (not just in our matches) or the extreme use of injury time, which for me is also making it less enjoyable. Maybe I'm just getting old, but this current version of the sport I love is hard to love at the moment. edit - The Ayew sending off sums up why football isn’t as fun to watch as it used to be. No way he should be sent off for two yellows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Good news , Pochettino has said that Enzo and Caicedo need to improve . If only there was a way he could help them . Maybe the club can employ someone to work with them inbetween games? I touched on this the other day. How can any coach fix the fundamental and huge faults in their game? It is literally impossible for a coach to turn a desperately slow player into one that is quick enough for the fastest league in the world. The only way Enzo can compensate for the huge problems his extreme llack of pace is causing, will be for him to start spraying the ball around left, right and centre with defence splitting passes and chip in with some goals and that isn't going to happen. With Caisedo we have nothing more than an athletic spoiler with the footballing ability of a division one player. Again, no coach is going to be able to fix that They are two signings on the Lukaku level of disastrous and the sooner the owners are told by the manager that they need to be moved on the better it will be for the progress of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: I touched on this the other day. How can any coach fix the fundamental and huge faults in their game? It is literally impossible for a coach to turn a desperately slow player into one that is quick enough for the fastest league in the world. The only way Enzo can compensate for the huge problems his extreme llack of pace is causing, will be for him to start spraying the ball around left, right and centre with defence splitting passes and chip in with some goals and that isn't going to happen. With Caisedo we have nothing more than an athletic spoiler with the footballing ability of a division one player. Again, no coach is going to be able to fix that They are two signings on the Lukaku level of disastrous and the sooner the owners are told by the manager that they need to be moved on the better it will be for the progress of the team. I completely disagree on Caicedo; we saw how brilliant he was at Brighton last season. I have to think there is a proper player in Enzo as well, but we paid over the odds for both of them. Any player we buy will rot because the entire club is dysfunctional and there is too much pressure on these youngsters - the same will invariably happen with Nkunku. Until we get some experienced characters we are repeating this failed experiment, the very definition of insanity. I was behind Poch until the United game because he has been dealt a losing hand, but is plainly obvious to me that he cannot get a tune out of these players any more. Edited December 9, 2023 by Max Fowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: I completely disagree on Caicedo; we saw how brilliant he was at Brighton last season. I have to think there is a proper player in Enzo as well, but we paid over the odds for both of them. Any player we buy will rot because the entire club is dysfunctional and there is too much pressure on these youngsters - the same will invariably happen with Nkunku. Until we get some experienced characters we are repeating this failed experiment, the very definition of insanity. I was behind Poch until the United game because he has been dealt a losing hand, but is plainly obvious to me that he cannot get a tune out of these players any more. True, I agree about United. He really did look crestfallen. Is there ANYONE who could get them playing? I don’t think we’ve signed totally shit players - some are, mind, but definitely not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Max Fowler said: Not completely relevant but... Sounds like another Chelsea Football Twitterite saying a lot of words without saying much at all. Loves the sound of his whiney voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: He's really, really good at working with young players... Why are they crediting Potter with 10 points Tuchel won earlier in the season? 10 points that kept us up by the way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said: True, I agree about United. He really did look crestfallen. Is there ANYONE who could get them playing? I don’t think we’ve signed totally shit players - some are, mind, but definitely not all. We could get a new manager bounce, pick up a few wins and improve our fortunes short-term. I have to think we should be doing better than 10th/11th with these players. Medium-term there are issues with the current squad that will hamper us from achieving more than some kind of European football. We may have failed to win too many times with Poch that the players have lost confidence with him. Not all his fault - you can blame luck, injuries, a poor hand. Once belief in a manager is gone, it's nigh on impossible to get that back. To quote Tuchel again: "You can overcome one loss, a short period… but it cannot be too long otherwise nobody trusts the process no more." Edited December 9, 2023 by Max Fowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Good news , Pochettino has said that Enzo and Caicedo need to improve . If only there was a way he could help them . Maybe the club can employ someone to work with them inbetween games? You mean someone like a highly paid Head Coach?.....bit revolutionary there Mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I really don’t think the problem is with Caicedo or Enzo. You can stick Makalele and Essien in their prime in this team but you’d still have Mudryk, Sterling and Jackson playing upfront. Just get a set of proven forwards/wingers and I bet Enzo and Caicedo will suddenly look great. That’s really where we need to fix things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, Original 21 said: I really don’t think the problem is with Caicedo or Enzo. You can stick Makalele and Essien in their prime in this team but you’d still have Mudryk, Sterling and Jackson playing upfront. Just get a set of proven forwards/wingers and I bet Enzo and Caicedo will suddenly look great. That’s really where we need to fix things. DD and Diego (as easy examples)made things happen just by being on the pitch...able to play their role and in the old way.."keep a defence honest"..plus taking no s**t and frightening many a tough defender. A "long" ball was a real threat when there were players there to fight for it and with it...now? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, chara said: DD and Diego (as easy examples)made things happen just by being on the pitch...able to play their role and in the old way.."keep a defence honest"..plus taking no s**t and frightening many a tough defender. A "long" ball was a real threat when there were players there to fight for it and with it...now? I 💯💯💯 agree. But who’s available? Snoop Drogg was so exceptional. So exceptional. Diego too, to a lesser extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Chelsea_Matt said: I 💯💯💯 agree. But who’s available? Snoop Drogg was so exceptional. So exceptional. Diego too, to a lesser extent. Who indeed.....Diego,,,to a lesser extent..agree..but if only we had that sort of "lesser" option now, Not living in the past but the contrast is so painful, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 It honestly would not surprise me if we won tomorrow so is the yo-yo of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, Leo said: It honestly would not surprise me if we won tomorrow so is the yo-yo of this team. 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy1905 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Bournemouth 3 nil up against Man Utd. A sad indictment of our miserable team and club. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: We could get a new manager bounce We better hire Zebedee if the team needs a bounce. I’ll get my coat. Edited December 9, 2023 by ROTG Classic Del Boy: he’s got more bounce than Zebedee 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, ROTG said: We better hire Zebedee if the team needs a bounce. I’ll get my coat. I thought we already had? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyLB Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Shocking we lost to this United team. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito07 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, Leo said: It honestly would not surprise me if we won tomorrow so is the yo-yo of this team. Can’t see it. Cherubs are too tired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, blueboy1905 said: Bournemouth 3 nil up against Man Utd. A sad indictment of our miserable team and club. We should have thrashed them, they were awful and we made them look good. Our attitude was appalling from the off. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, Leo said: It honestly would not surprise me if we won tomorrow so is the yo-yo of this team. The just-below-elite Chelsea of the last 5 or 6 years of Abramovich's time here would routinely crumble against a cornered Everton. I don't think we have a single hope in hell tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 We do have an extra day than them this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Original 21 said: I really don’t think the problem is with Caicedo or Enzo. You can stick Makalele and Essien in their prime in this team but you’d still have Mudryk, Sterling and Jackson playing upfront. Just get a set of proven forwards/wingers and I bet Enzo and Caicedo will suddenly look great. That’s really where we need to fix things. Players should be held responsible for their own individual performances. Quality players will still be able to do their jobs well even if those around them are not. Kane always looked world class even in a team that was nowhere world class. Enzo has been branded as "elite" by some on here yet looks nothing more than a bang average £25 million journey man level player piddling about making a 101 meaningless passes in the middle of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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